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deep somewhere in sue sylvester -- >> she's fight for them. she'll protect them. >> if she's on your side -- >> you don't want her against you. she's your worst enemy. when she's for you you have a no better advocate. >> we have to sell books "happy accidents." thank you very, very, very much for finding time for us on emmy week of all times to get in here. >> for you, nothing. >> thank you very much. >> yeah, thank you. >> jane lynch gets "the last word." rachel maddow show is up next. thank you. congratulations on that. thanks to you for staying with us the next hour. we begin tonight with something brand new in america today. it is day one. >> five, four, three, two, one! >> i'm 31 years old. i'm a woman.
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i'm a united states marine. and i'm a lesbian. and pardon me, prior to today if i had said that, i could expect to be discharged from the military. >> don't ask, don't tell is dead. >> this is history. thank you so much. appreciate it. it's not just a victory for me but everybody who's serving their country today who can't speak out for themselves. >> it's the morning of september 20th. i could not sleep. it's 2:45. and i am probably as nervous as i can ever remember being. i'm about to call my dad in alabama. he has no clue nor do any members of my family.
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>> hello? >> hey, daddy. >> hey, bud! >> can i tell you something? >> yeah. >> will you love me, period? >> yes. >> like you always love me, as long as i'm -- dad, i'm gay. >> yikes. >> like always have been. have known since forever. and i know i haven't seen you in like a year, and i don't know when the next time i'll be able to see you. i didn't want to do it over the phone. i wanted to tell you in person, but i mean, i didn't want you to find out any other way. >> okay. >> you still love me? >> i still love you, son. i still love you, and i will always love you.
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and i will always be proud of you, okay? >> yeah. all right. i love you, daddy. thanks for everything. >> i love you, too, bud. >> i'll be home before too long. >> okay. >> i love you. >> love you, too, bud. >> all right. bye. oh my lord. >> oh my lord. today is day one of the united states military after don't ask, don't tell. in the run-up to repeal today, an 88-year-old world war ii veteran spoke at a ceremony marking the policy's repeal in ga eorgia georgia. after the repeal became effective, two active duty service members spoke about being gay in the military during a process conference with the service members' legal defense network in washington. last night in san diego service members and their supporters celebrated the repeal as it happened, as it took effect. in washington tonight, parties planned to celebrate repeal day all over the city. "washington post" is actually keeping a running list on their website at this point. there's also a repeal day
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ceremony planned for tonight at joint base louis mccourt in washington state. the guest of honor, major margaret whit a flight nurse who successfully sued after she was kicked out because of don't ask, don't tell. senators who worked to repeal the policy held a press conference on capitol hill today alongside openly gay service members who this time yesterday would not have been allowed to be openly gay service members. the white house issuing a statement today saying in part "today the discriminatory law known as don't ask, don't tell is finally and formally repealed. as of today patriotic americans in uniform will no longer have to lie about who they are in order to serve the country they love. as of today our armed forces will no longer lose the extraordinary skills and combat experience of so many gay and lesbian service members. today as commander in chief i want those to know who were discharged under this law that your country deeply values your service." that was the official statement
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out of the white house on repeal day today. president obama's re-election campaign also sent out an e-mail about the repeal from campaign manager jim messina. "today don't ask, don't tell is officially over. this is one of the administration's signature achievements. countless americans fought hard to end this law over the course of nearly two decades and president obama is proud to have signed the repeal. it's a reminder as broken as washington is and as long as change can take, people and organizations can do amazing things when they work together and never waiver from the vision that unites them. there's a lot more to do in the months ahead, but today is one to savor." there's a video link to that e-mail that president obama's re-election campaign sent out today. it is a video that links the policy to the people that it effects and frankly to the administration's satisfaction with winning this particular hard political fight. >> living under don't ask, don't tell is something that you can't
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put into words. >> for example, when the admiral would call me to his office, this little voice in the back would always say, gee, i hope that somehow i haven't been outed and that he's calling me in to tell me my career is over. >> the wording of it is really misleading because it makes people think under the policy you can be gay, lesbian or bisexual and serve but just not talk about it. it's a lot more than that. >> don't ask, don't tell also meant i would lead a very empty life by myself. to be able to follow the law. >> my professional judgment as an old straight bald guy who spent 35 years in the military, don't ask, don't tell actually takes away from military readiness. we have critical very, very difficult to fill military occupation specialties where we discharged fully qualified, fully trained combat veterans who are exactly what the military wanted simply because
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we had a don't ask, don't tell law on the books which most of the military thought didn't make sense. >> we are not a nation that says don't ask, don't tell. we are a nation that says out of many, we are one. we are a nation that welcomes the service of every patriot. we are a nation that believes that all men and women are created equal. those are the ideals that generations have fought for. those are the ideals that we uphold today and now it is my honor to sign this bill into law. >> the message from the obama re-election campaign is motte just let's be glad don't ask, don't tell is over. they're doing all they can to lock up the political capital that should accrue to them for having won this. for having gotten don't ask, don't tell repealed. this is part of why winning political fights is actually a great predictor of whether you will win more of them. it's because to the victor go the spoils.
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both politically and emotionally. winning helps you win more. maybe the most moving thing, the most emotional thing about this policy change for people who support this policy change is finding out what is going to happen to the individual people whose lives were ruined by this policy but who still now, because it happened now, because it didn't take longer, because it didn't take another ten years, those people who still have a chance to u-turn their lives. >> as soon as don't ask, don't tell was officially off the books, i'm going back to finish what i started. >> i'm going back in because i want to keep giving back to my country. >> in addition to the folks highlighted in the obama re-election campaign video today, army lieutenant and iraq war veteran dan choi who you met on this program who was discharged under the policy after coming out on this show. dan says he plans to reenlist. ousted new mexico airman tells his local news station today he is considering reenlisting. two others telling their local chicago news station they're thinking about going back. service members legal defense network are already working with a number of people discharged
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under don't ask, don't tell who are going to rejoin. this navy officer was married in vermont at the stroke of midnight last night. highlighting that openly gay people in the military will also want equal rights. so it's not like this is a done deal. but today was a big deal. and today was about coming out which is what the policy was about. tens of thousands of gay people have been serving in the united states military during this whole debate. while the policy has existed. now that the policy is gone, they can make their own decision about whether or not and how to say who they are. it can no longer be used against them. why is it worth it to you to take the risk to speak out like this and do the work you have done with outserve? >> i think why it's important for me, at some point while you're serving under the military and under this policy, you see some of the atrocities that occur to people across the world including myself who was blackmailed under this policy. at some point you have to see there's something larger than
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yourself out there and you have to take these risks to do something like this to help others and to help create the change that's needed. >> i did that interview last year with an air force lieutenant using a pseudonym. as you can see there, pictured only in silhouette. i've only done a few rare interviews like that in my life. that air force officer had been blackmailed for being gay as a young officer. he started the undergrown network of active duty u.s. personnel called outserve. the pseudonym was j.d. smith. today outserve's magazine published a feature called 101 faces of courage. that includes real photos and real bios and real names of 100 other gay service members plus the real j.d. smith. joining us now live from washington, d.c., at a party hosted by the service members legal defense network for the very first time not in silhouette is united states air force first lieutenant josh seifried who will never again have to be known as j.d. smith. he's the founder of outserve and
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author of "our time." joining us, newly retired colonel victor farenbach who came out on this program. he fought his discharge under don't ask, don't tell and won. i have to say, congratulations. thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you, rachel. this is a great day for everyone here. all the service members across, all around the world. >> are you guys wearing those little janet jackson mikes because it's a really exciting, loud celebration? >> there's a little disco action going on. >> everyone's shouting behind us. it's a great day -- it's a great excitement for everything that's going on today. it's a great day for america and our military. >> lieutenant, formally known as j.d. smith on this program, let me start with you. how has it felt to you personally to be able to say who you are, to have spent this first 24 hours in the new military? >> it feels like a huge burden
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has been lifted off your shoulders. i mean, there's not a single day you cannot think about this policy while serving in the military. knowing today there's a career i have an opportunity to have where i don't have to be scared of who i am and who i love that i can be part of the military family and i'm so excited about it. and i think every other gay person in the military feels the exact same way. >> josh, do you feel like there is a need for a group like outserve to continue? outserve obviously functioned as an anonymous way, underground way for gay people actively serving in the military to find one another, support one another and communicate. will outserve continue to exist? do you think there will be continued need of support for gay people in the military? >> absolutely. what we can see from our british counterparts, there's not one single british royal marine that's out right now. the policy's been changed for years. so where outserve can help is to help build the respect.
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in the military to make sure that people feel comfortable coming out. like you said, we published our magazine today that's going around bases on military bases today that publish real names, real faces of military people and that goes to show that we're here and we're part of the team. and so in the future we need to continue to develop that respect in the environment and we're going to do that. >> let me turn now to lieutenant colonel farenbach. you're newly retired from the u.s. air force. you fought your discharge from the air force and were able to retire successfully just in recent weeks. victor, do you feel like your decision to come out and the decision of other individual service members to come out and fight their discharges made this happen faster than it otherwise would have? >> i think so. and i just want to say thank you, rachel. you allowed a lot of us to come on and tell our stories. i think that changed some politicians' minds and i think
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it changed america's attitudes and people in the military as well, that we were ready for this. as you mentioned, the day after i came out on your show, i went back to duty, put the uniform on. i remember the morning walking up to the building. that point, 18 years in it was the proudest day of my life. it hit me. it was the first time i realized i was going to go into work, wasn't going to have to lie or look over my shoulder. today that's why this is such a great day. 65,000 other service members put their uniforms on today and it was a different great day for them. they were able to be proud and serve with integrity. >> victor, are you -- are you anticipating that there are going to be problems with implementation of repeal? the military has been very firm, the pentagon has been very firm in saying there are not going to be problems, we are prepared, we are trained, we are ready for this. having been in the air force for 20 years and seeing what you've seen, most of that time not being a man who people knew was
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gay, do you think there's going to be trouble? >> i think there may be isolated cases. i think the way this was done -- i was obviously the most impatient man in the world having this threat of discharge hang over me for the last three years and four months. but what i learned from that in the last two years, again, identify bei've been able to serve openly. i shouldn't be surprised by this, the military people are professional and dedicated to the mission. that's all they care about. there may be isolated cases. across the board we took our time, got everybody trained. i think people have been expecting this for the last ten months or so. i think we're ready. i think those cases will be very isolated. >> let me go back to josh seefried, founder of outserve and author of this new book out today "our time: breaking the silence of don't ask, don't tell," with names and faces and real stories of people who are openly gay serving in the military as of today. josh, thinking about serving in the air force right now, is a
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person who is on active duty and who is now newly really not anonymous. will it be difficult not to be anonymous as an activist? you're out in the air force as a gay man but also out in the air force as somebody who was an activist to get this policy change. is this going to affect your ability to fit in with your unit? >> absolutely not. when i go back to work, i'm going to go back in there and do a good job, that i was signed up to do, that i raised my right hand for. that's the united states air force. under this policy, like you said, i was blackmailed. i saw the crimes that were committed against other people including like colonel victor fehrenbach. when you serve under the policy and see the crimes committed, you can't sit back and let that happen. i saw the opportunity to help the pentagon to get the policy change and i took it. with an amazing team, we help to support thousands of active duty
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service members. i don't think it's a problem at all to go back to work, to do my job the best i can and what i signed up to do. >> first lieutenant josh seefried, colonel victor fehrenbach. thanks for speaking up, the bravery it took. thanks for joining us. i sense the cost of that viscerally. i know there's an open bar there and you're both in the mood to celebrate. i release you both. congratulations, you guys. have a great night. >> thanks, rachel. cheers to you. >> thanks, rachel. >> thanks to you both. nancy pelosi is also going to be joining us live from washington tonight. you will not believe where in washington nancy pelosi is going to be joining us from tonight. but she will be with us live for the interview. that is coming up. you have all . time to mix it up with new philly cooking creme. it'll make your chicken creamier, dreamier, with lots of flavor. spread the love in four fabulous flavors. spoon in a little new philly cooking creme. ♪♪ [ female announcer ] the road is not exactly a place of intelligence.
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particular republican member of congress. and the interview tonight, nancy pelosi. coming up. sun life financialrating should be famous.d bad, we're working on it. so you're seriously proposing we change our name to sun life valley. do we still get to go skiing? sooner or later, you'll know our name. sun life financial.
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it feels like help is never far away. that's what it feels like to be a member. if you're someone who is afraid of bugs, if you're someone who's creeped out by the very sight of bugs, i give you permission to just squint drastically or turn away from the television screen for just the next few seconds. because this right here is a tiny little guy, kind of sort of looks like a caterpillar, kind of sort of appears to have cute little bunny ears by its head. see? this is a distinct species of something called a spring tail. this particular species of spring tail you're looking at is named after a current member of the united states senate. as you can see down there on the
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bottom the official name of this rather adorable little bug is cosberella lamaralexanderi. this guy was named after republican senator lamar alexander of tennessee for two reasons. first, physical resemblance. i'm not kidding. the scientist who discovered this cute bug a few years ago said that its checker board color ration sort of resembled the trademark red plaid shirts lamar alexander used to wear across the country when he campaigned for president in two successive presidential years. see, sort of? maybe a bit of a stretch. maybe if he wore bunny ears. this charming bugger was named after lamar alexander because of senator alexander's long standing support of federally funded scientific research. it was an honor paid to him because he supports government supporting science. the bug is now off the screen. so you can feel free to turn back to your television. if you're a member of the modern
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day republican party who's had an insect named after you because of your support for federal funding of science, that is both inherently awesome and it means you are probably not going to be the biggest hit at the next republican power cocktail party. today lamar alexander announced he is resigning from his leadership post as the number three republican in the senate. this amid speculation that if he was going to resign from the number three job in order to run for the number two job in the senate, he would not win that election. mr. alexander is currently the chairman of the republican conference in the senate. he is quitting that job in january. now, senator alexander enjoys a nearly 80% lifetime rating from the american conservative union and on a whole host of issues he is pretty much a republican's republican. back when he was running for president in the 1990s he pledged to never raise taxes. he was against the minimum wage. yeah. rejected any and all gun control measures. even though he was previously the nation's education
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secretary, he ran for president on a platform of abolishing the department of education. which he used to run. but in this year's versi of the republican party, even a record that conservative is not conservative enough. republican sources telling krn today that senator alexander likely chose to leave the republican leadership because some conservative members of his party think he is too moderate. in addition to being sort of suspect because scientists named a bulg after him, he committed the cardinal sin of working to cut down pollution from coal fired power plants. he once supported a bipartisan health reform proposal. oh. remember when the bipartisan senate gang of six was going to be the group that came up with a big deficit deal? lamar alexander endorsed the gang of six end product. he endorsed a bipartisan thing. and now, of course, that means lamar alexander has got to go. he's too moderate for a leadership role in today's republican party. that dynamic in the republican
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party, the dynamic between the republican party and the far right wing edge of its base tells you a lot more about what's going on in national politics right now than anything going on the other side of the aisle. particularly anything going on between president obama and his base. republicans nationally as well as the beltway media are busy accusing president obama of pandering to the extreme left wing of his democratic base by calling for tax increases on corporations and on the wealthiest americans to help balance the budget. as the republican attack goes, it's only the far, far, far, far left like the maddow left that wants this sort of thing and shame on barack obama for giving into those left wing crazies. according to conservative columnists like david brooks of "the new york times" today, "president obama repeated the populist cries that fire up liberals but are designed to enrage moderates and conservatives." you want to see how enraged moderates are at the idea of tax hikes on the wealthiest americans? 65%.
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that's the percentage of moderates in the latest "new york times" poll who say they support tax hikes on the rich. the number was higher in a recent cnn poll. the number of self-declared moderates who support higher taxes for the rich, 74%. 80% of moderates would be for a plan to raise taxes on the rich. that mirrors the 80% of moderates who told the "washington post" the same thing last month, 80% of moderates favor tax hikes on the rich. if that's the democratic party's base, 80%, democrats are pretty psyched. it's likely the beltway pundits who are republicans themselves or in the process of parodying talking points, the punditocracy is wrong about this. what is the president is doing does not appear to be a play for the democrat peararty's base. it will make the democratic party base's very happy and also make happy huge majorities of americans who agree with
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president obama on the substance of what it is he is proposing. the only people who are not into ideas like president obama is proposing. the only people who are not into the idea of raising taxes on the rich in order to close the deficit is the very, very tiny of the minority that is actually the republican party's base. and that is the great political liability for elected republicans right now. the republican party is shifting themselves so far to the right to deal with their own base that they are now really completely in alignment with the farthest right edge of their party. the two ways to move a political party in one ideological direction or another, first you have to elevate to leadership positions, the more extreme members of your party. the most ideologically pure members of your party and you have to demand that everybody go along with their policy preferences. but you also to have make sure moderates in your party lose their power. you have to purge the moderates from any positions of power. but that sort of purge, that sort of enforcement of
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ideological rigidity leaves a good part of the electorate in play for some other politician to come along and capture. it's not just the democratic base who's for tax hikes on the rich. it's everybody who is not in the republican base. it is a very, very, very large majority of the country. president obama's now barn storming around the country on the basis of the single most popular economic idea in the nation if you consider the polling on it. remember the lamar alexander bug? the cosberella lamaralexanderi? it's a specific species of a spring tail, which is long considered to be an insect. now it is no long eer considere an insect by scientists who study the things. the lamaralexanderi bug is classified now as a hexopod. moderate conservatives among the republicans are no longer allowed to be considered republicans anymore. i don't know if we'll be calling them hexopods in the future or
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this is a party night for everybody who is glad to see the end of the military's don't ask, don't tell policy. looking at footage right now of a party going on in washington, d.c. in just a minute democratic leader nancy pelosi, one of most devoted opponents of don't ask, don't tell, will join us live from this very festive not secret for much longer location along with service members,
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leader nancy pelosi. who for the entire time that the don't ask, don't tell policy was alive, before, during and after her term as speaker of the house, helped lead the fight against it. so tonight she is out celebrating its demise with the service members legal defense network at their party in washington, d.c. leader pelosi, thank you so much for joining us tonight. it's nice to have you here. >> thank you, rachel. as you can see, it's a cause for great celebration that we are -- it is the end of don't ask, don't tell. and it's pretty exciting. both for our country and for each of the people who are here, each of their personal stories is really a victory. >> it has been received wisdom in washington for nearly 20 years that president clinton hurt himself politically when he tried and failed to repeal the ban on gay people sevening inse military. do you think it was risky for
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you and other democrats and president obama to push so hard to repeal the ban these path couple years? >> whether it was risky or not, it was the right thing to do. president obama deserves a great deal of credit for creating the atmosphere, providing the leadership for those in the military to follow the lead of the commander in chief and look carefully at this issue. to see how we could enable patriotic americans to serve our country. the american people seem to be way ahead of congress. i'm very pleased we were able to get two strong votes. my colleague whip steny hoyer is here tonight. he's an important part of what we did in the house. senator reid in the senate, putting together a bipartisan coalition there. and so, again, the american people approved. the issue was urgent. the president led. tonight we celebrate. >> do you have anything to say
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tonight to buck mckean, chairman of the house armed services committee or to senator john mccain or other members of the senate you fought against all these years, the ones who fought so hard to keep this ban in place? >> you know what, i'd rather be thinking in a positive vain tonight about what was accomplished and the joy it brings to all of these people here and the 14,000 people who were discharged under the don't ask, don't tell policy. the respect that they are receiving, the opportunity they have to go back and to be reinstated and what it means for those who have never served but want to serve our country. that's the emphasis i would like to place tonight as we have this celebration. i hope that in the hearts of those who have not been as enthusiastic that they will see the inevitability of it. when we took the vote last year in the spring, we got -- we had a 40-vote majority. when we took the vote again in
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the winter, it had grown to 75 votes majority. nearly double. i think that's the wave of the future and that others -- i always say about don't ask, don't tell, it was inconceivable to us that it would not be repealed. it was inconceivable. it was inevitable that it would happen. we wanted to shore up the distance between the inevitable and the inconceivable and make this night happen. some people just take a little longer to come around, but i think the american people have led and the president has been absolutely great. it's a real tribute to him. i'm proud of my members because every district isn't the same. and all of them were very courageous. >> to hear your optimism about this, about the sort of making the inevitable happen, is a glass half full way of looking at it. does that mean when we hear republican presidential candidates, for example, talking about reinstating don't ask,
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don't tell, it's essentially rescinding the repeal if they became president. do you think that's just noise? do you think there's no chance of that ever happening? >> i don't think so. i think this has its -- the repeal of don't ask, don't tell, the participation of our men and women, everyone in our country what wants to serve in the military has a momentum to it. it's really a celebration of their patriotism, of their love of our country and it is really part of two bookends in the obama administration. he started his -- the first bill the president signed passed by the congress. the first bill he signed was lilly ledbetter to end discrimination in the workplace. one of the last bills he signed in that two-year period was the repeal of don't ask, don't tell. and in between the hate crimes bill, fully inclusive and many other initiatives, he broadened opportunity in our country.
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that is the wave of the future. i think that we're on pretty solid ground here. >> leader pelosi -- >> pretty happy ground, too. >> it sounds like it. >> it's hard to hear you. i'm sorry. it's very hard to hear because -- >> i'll try to be emphatic. i'm sorry. i have one last question for you about president obama and his strategy. as he's heading into his re-election campaign. he is talking more and more about congress these days. about the priorities of republicans in congress in particular and how he sees his priorities ies and the nation's priorities as different than what republicans want. do you think there's been an important strategic pivot for the president, that he's being more confrontational or more willing to call out people he sees as standing in the way of progress? >> well, i would hope that the president, taking his message on jobs and deficit reduction that is fair, that is marked by fairness, where all americans
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pay their fair share. as he takes his message to the american people that all of us can find common ground on the high ground of values. the education of our children. the dignified retirement of our seniors. the creation of jobs of the american people. the safety and good health of our neighborhoods. the strength of our country. done in a fiscally sound way. nothing partisan about that. i think as the president shows that what our values are and how the budget reflects them that hopefully we can find common ground in the budget. but i do think it's really about not only his re-election, it's about his belief in the future. a vision of america that is more, that provides more fa fairness, more opportunity, that speaks to the greatness of america. so i'm very proud of the president. our caucus, our house democratic caucus is fully behind him in
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what he is doing and we just would hope we can, again, find common ground with the american people and our colleagues on the republican side of the aisle in congress. we will find a solution. we will have to find a solution, but we cannot find a solution by surrendering. we have to fight the fight, find common ground, if not, stand our ground. the president has made that very clear. >> house democratic leader nancy pelosi. thank you so much for taking time away from the party you are at tonight. and joining us on tonight of all nights. congratulations to you for your hard work on this. i know it's a real achievement for you, personally. >> i'm very proud of it. thank you, thank you, rachel. thank you. the best new thing in the world today, a life or death story and life wins with a big assist from a republican congressman. best new thing in the world coming up right at the end of the show. you save. and when you switch from another company to us, we even reward you for the time you spent there. genius.
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this is sodium fyopental. sometimes called truth serum. in large doses, the way we prefer to kill prisoners in america. it's one of three drugs used in
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combination for lethal injection. it used to be made in this country by a company in illinois. after that company moved its manufacturing operations to italy it stopped making the drug. it wasn't worth the trouble anymore. italians are against the death penalty. so about a year ago the company just stopped making the drug. with no more being made in the united states or by the american company that outsourced its manufacturing overseas, death penalty states had to look for new ways to get the drug or had to come up with new ways to kill their prisoners. the state of georgia first tried to find an alternate source for getting the drug. along with arizona, arkansas, california and tennessee. georgia scored some from a fly-by-night distributor operating out of the back of a driving school in west london in the uk. georgia killed two people using the drug they got out of the driving school. they brought it from a drug distributor operating in a fly-by-night shack and they used it to kill two people. then in march, the drug enforcement agency seized
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georgia's supply arguing the drug was imported illegally. they took away ever single vial of it the state had. how does georgia keep killing its prisoners? georgia decided to switch drugs. the state decided they would start using a drug that has the trade name nembutal instead to kill prisoners. it's a sedative used to euthanize animals. a danish company who makes nembutal shouldn't be used in executions. when they used it, reporters who witnessed the execution said the man being killed jerked his head several times throughout the procedure and muttered after the drug was injected and he was supposed to be asleep. controversy over the means in which we kill the prisoners led to an unprecedented decision this summer in july when georgia used nembutal to execute a man named andrew grant. the state videotaped killing him. it was the first recorded execution in two decades.
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the first ever vid wrote taped lethal injection. it happened because lawyers for another prisoner on death row in georgia wanted evidence. they wanted evidence for a lawsuit georgia wanted evidence on the grounds the states knew we use the drugs they use on animals, lethal injection is brutal and therefore unconstitutional. because of that lawsuit, somewhere in a sealed locker in georgia is a video of the state killing a man. but head of the man bringing that lawsuit is set to execute another man. a man named troy davis. 20 years ago, davis was convicted for the death of a savannah police officer after nine witnesses identified him as the shooter. since then, seven of those nine witnesses have recanted their testimony saying they were coerced by the police. the case also suffered from a lack of physical evidence. the murder weapon, for example, has never been found. because of all of that, three of the jurors who convicted troy davis now say she would change their vote.
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today georgia's board of pardons and paroled rejected his appeal. that board is the only body in the state of georgia that has the power to commute this death sentence. a last-minute appeal to the u.s. supreme court would be troy davis' only hope. but that is considered to be an unlikely prospect. this afternoon, the justices of the supreme court did stop another execution, the execution of a man named clive foster who was scheduled to die tonight in texas for the rape and murder of a woman ten years ago. mr. foster maintains that he is innocent. his lawyers say he did not receive adequate legal help during his trial. the court's brief order today said the reprieve would remain in effect spending the outcome of mr. foster's request for a review of his latest appeal. on thursday, the supreme court also stepped in to stop the execution of another prisoner in texas, a man named dwayne buck.
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dwayne buck's conviction was marred by a psychologist testifying that the fact that dwayne buck is african-american could contribute to his, quote, future dangerousness, his blackness equals his dangerousness, the jury was told. the justice has grant add 30-day reprieve to his appeal. governor rick perry of texas has sent 235 prisoners to their deaths in prisoner during his time as governor, more than any governor in the modern history of the country. governor perry is very proud of that record. conventional political wisdom says killing prisoners, even one whose guilt is vigorously challenge, is a thumbs-up for the voters that republicans count on to give them something like the republican nomination for president. but with all that's going on right now in death penalty politics and jurisprudence, are there any limits to that.
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>> your state has executed 234 death row inmates, more than any other governor in modern times. [ applause ] have you struggled to sleep at night with the idea that any one of those might have been innocent? >> in the state of texas, if you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you're involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of texas. and that is, you will be executed. >> what do you make of -- [ applause ] what do you make of that dynamic that just happened here, the mention of the execution of 234 people drew applause? >> i think americans understand justice. >> since then, texas has executed another person. they're now up to 235 on governor perry's watch. in texas, the cases of dwayne
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buck and clive foster are likely to return to governor perry's desk if the supreme court ultimately turns away their appeals. in georgia, troy davis won't get the luxury of a last-minute appeal to that state's governor. vigils are happening in georgia on the steps of the state capitol. tomorrow, there will be a vigil at the state prison. among those asking for the troy davis execution to be stopped are pope benedict, former president jimmy carter and william sessions, a former director of the fbi. nevertheless, troy davis, due to be executed at 7:00 p.m. tomorrow. [ oswald ] there's a lot of discussion going on about the development of natural gas,
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ran up to her and mugged her. one of new york's deputy mayor tackled the perp. six months later, the mayor of milwaukee was leaving the wisconsin state fair when he tried to help a woman being attacked by a man wielding a lead pipe. the mayor got his teeth knocked out and a fractured hand for his troubles. but the woman and the baby she was holding were both okay. now it has happened again, not fighting crime this time, but saving a life. and going above and beyond any politician's call of duty to do it. this morning, congressman phil roe of tennessee was heading to work on capitol hill by way of the charlotte, north carolina, airport. he heard somebody yelling for a doctor saying a man had collapsed. congressman phil roe is also dr. phil roe. he used to practice as an obstetrician. and in the airport, he sprung into action. >> we put the defibrillating device on him and he was
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flatlined. and we started obviously cardiopulmonary resuscitation with him then and defib lrillat him. i gave the police officer my card. just as i got in the office after getting on the flight, he said he thought this fellow was going to make it. that was great news. this man left home this morning, i don't even know his name, thinking that his day was going to be just like any other day. so, yeah, it was -- i hope he does well. i certainly hope his family well and wish him well, whoever he is. >> part of the whole political culture now of running down government as if government's a bad thing also means talking smack about public service as if it is a shady career, as if people who run for office are by definition a little suspect. maybe some politicians are a little suspect. but the same is true for every profession. and sometimes, like republican congressman